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tomhubbard wrote:So you must know all about that corner then...

I would guess a lot more than you

You haven't even ridden it yet claim to know the best way to enter it? *Hero

at paddock i brake hard on the front dropping 2 gears and as i tip i release the brakes rolling on the throttle to keep the front loaded.
If you dont use the brakes and only the gearing you are not allowing the front to hook up for the corner (bad move for a hill).




i love brands

tomhubbard wrote:You haven't even ridden it yet claim to know the best way to enter it? *Hero

Pjc is a very fast rider and has a very good knowledge of track craft so hero is the wrong word to use in this instance

"How to win friends and influence people" lol

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tomhubbard wrote:

R1Clarky wrote:dont worry about being slow m8 - i dont do tracks i just make sure when i go for a ride i go with some slower barstewards- always make me look good lol
paul

It's more a confidence thing for me. I did 5k road miles from June to October last year but after being on track I've lost enthusiasm for fast road riding. Brands is easy to learn and easy to get wrong but I know it and got faster and faster

Brands is easy to learn if you just want to get by, if you want a fast lap then it is a very technical circuit

pod wrote:"How to win friends and influence people" lol

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Is that Tom's new book then ?? Must pre order on Amazon

Dale would be turning in his grave mike lol

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Excuse my ignorance but PJC is coming off as a know it all dick that is belittling rather than giving advice.

Hash29: thanks for the info mate what sort of speed do you think your doing before let off/braking?
I was taking advice from a couple of guys in the pit garage there that day. They way I did it worked for me I come out of clearways in 2nd, hard on the gas to the top of 3rd which took me to the line, let off, knee out and turn in and back on the gas at the same time

I haven't said anything apart from that's not the way to do it, I even told you I haven't ridden it. You call me a dick and Hero without asking ok what do you know that I don't. I offer advise to those who ask the right questions and teach those who want to learn.

braking from 150 down 2 gears to between 80-90. paddock hill has lots of grip but if you get it wrong there it is going to hurt.
under braking the rear lifts of the bump 20 yards before the tip in and that can really unsettle the bike and rider lol.

As for pjc he is a very respected part of this forum and avery good rider with skilld that put most of us to shame, he has raced hard and crashed just as hard and is worth listening to even if you dont find you like the way it comes accross, he only has good intention at heart and should be taken as so

PJC wrote:I haven't said anything apart from that's not the way to do it, I even told you I haven't ridden it. You call me a dick and Hero without asking ok what do you know that I don't. I offer advise to those who ask the right questions and teach those who want to learn.

No, you just pointed out that all I was doing was wrong. I don't need that kind of 'advice' but thanks anyway

hash29 wrote:braking from 150 down 2 gears to between 80-90. paddock hill has lots of grip but if you get it wrong there it is going to hurt.
under braking the rear lifts of the bump 20 yards before the tip in and that can really unsettle the bike and rider lol.

As for pjc he is a very respected part of this forum and avery good rider with skilld that put most of us to shame, he has raced hard and crashed just as hard and is worth listening to even if you dont find you like the way it comes accross, he only has good intention at heart and should be taken as so

That's the thing I struggle to get to that speed on the straight. I can carry a fair bit through clearways but it seems my bike/I struggle to get to that speed. It's a hard comparison to make against all the newer, more powerful machines. There was only one other 4xv track bike in my group and I could keep up with him until Graeme hill bend. The rest of the lap would be me catching him up until that corner again

tomhubbard wrote:

hash29 wrote:braking from 150 down 2 gears to between 80-90. paddock hill has lots of grip but if you get it wrong there it is going to hurt.
under braking the rear lifts of the bump 20 yards before the tip in and that can really unsettle the bike and rider lol.

As for pjc he is a very respected part of this forum and avery good rider with skilld that put most of us to shame, he has raced hard and crashed just as hard and is worth listening to even if you dont find you like the way it comes accross, he only has good intention at heart and should be taken as so

That's the thing I struggle to get to that speed on the straight. I can carry a fair bit through clearways but it seems my bike/I struggle to get to that speed. It's a hard comparison to make against all the newer, more powerful machines. There was only one other 4xv track bike in my group and I could keep up with him until Graeme hill bend. The rest of the lap would be me catching him up until that corner again

down gear it for better drive

tomhubbard wrote:

PJC wrote:I haven't said anything apart from that's not the way to do it, I even told you I haven't ridden it. You call me a dick and Hero without asking ok what do you know that I don't. I offer advise to those who ask the right questions and teach those who want to learn.

No, you just pointed out that all I was doing was wrong. I don't need that kind of 'advice' but thanks anyway

You are welcome

I did say thats not the way to do it and advised you not to coast but throttle or brakes and a neutral mid corner throttle. But hey what do I know

p.s the best way to learn is to know the right questions to ask, that way you already have a basic understanding of what tools you need. You can be told something but until you really know why you are being told it, its not as helpful as it could be.

an old old vid of me onboard

hash29 wrote:

tomhubbard wrote:

hash29 wrote:braking from 150 down 2 gears to between 80-90. paddock hill has lots of grip but if you get it wrong there it is going to hurt.
under braking the rear lifts of the bump 20 yards before the tip in and that can really unsettle the bike and rider lol.

As for pjc he is a very respected part of this forum and avery good rider with skilld that put most of us to shame, he has raced hard and crashed just as hard and is worth listening to even if you dont find you like the way it comes accross, he only has good intention at heart and should be taken as so

That's the thing I struggle to get to that speed on the straight. I can carry a fair bit through clearways but it seems my bike/I struggle to get to that speed. It's a hard comparison to make against all the newer, more powerful machines. There was only one other 4xv track bike in my group and I could keep up with him until Graeme hill bend. The rest of the lap would be me catching him up until that corner again

down gear it for better drive

And learn braking points and how to brake and use engine braking to settle the suspension. Watch a few track day vids of guys in the fast group and look closely and their lines. Do remember your bike may have never had the suspension serviced, you are on road tyres etc etc

Tom ive just read back through several posts and wondered how/why comments have been perceived a certain way but then i thought surely this new-to-the-scene biker must have decided to get ìnto`bikes for a reason, the feeling of being at one with ur machine or maybe the camarardary derived from knowing you are part of a `special-group` of individuals with the same passion-bikes or maybe you just like chucking urself at the gravel etc round tracks..Whatever the reason you got into bikes- remember we all sing from the same songsheet..ie trying not to get wiped out by feckin incompetant car drivers etc.. while doing what we love ..Plus dont forget there are guys on here that have been bikers for a very long time.Most will try to help if they can- remember when reading words on a page you dont get the benefit of looking at someones expression to determine if something is said tongue-in-cheek.........Me, i`m just ridiculously laid back(good cop in our household) but like a lot of these guys have been a biker for over a quarter of a century...
paul

Surprised they had on board camara s that long ago hash , did you have cam corder duct taped to your tank !! [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]

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Yes pod it took some doing but once this bad boy was on the tank it was all systems go

Plus side you could flip it round for the "looking back shots"

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pod wrote:Plus side you could flip it round for the "looking back shots"

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lol mate it was a bugger changing reels though

Just because someone may not have ridden a specific corner before, doesn't mean they don't know in general how to take a corner.

It is pretty elementary that the fastest way around a track is not be to coasting from half way down the straight instead of using your brakes a hundred meters later. There are of course a few exceptions to the rule, such as Coppice at Cadwell Park for instance, where your speed at the end of the start finish straight will be pretty much matched to the corner entry speed meaning that rolling off the throttle and knocking it down one gear is sufficient to settle the front end and pull it into the turn, Paddock Hill Bend is not such a corner.

The guys that told you to roll off at the start finish line were probably taking the piss because you were annoying them the same way you're annoying everyone on here (well, 99% at least), although probably you won't have read this far into this post anyway because you will have already have decided that you know better and gone off to look at yourself in the mirror or something.

And by the way, why in your knee down picture are you running sparky sliders, did you not listen in the morning briefing? I guess not as you probably knew it all already.

hash29 wrote:

an old old vid of me onboard

That's an awesome video! I turn in at the same point you do, where the pit lane white stripe meets the line accross the track. Probably around the same sort of speed. Dropping s gear out of clearways would be at the top of first so I don't think there'd be much benefit?

Simon wrote:Just because someone may not have ridden a specific corner before, doesn't mean they don't know in general how to take a corner.

It is pretty elementary that the fastest way around a track is not be to coasting from half way down the straight instead of using your brakes a hundred meters later. There are of course a few exceptions to the rule, such as Coppice at Cadwell Park for instance, where your speed at the end of the start finish straight will be pretty much matched to the corner entry speed meaning that rolling off the throttle and knocking it down one gear is sufficient to settle the front end and pull it into the turn, Paddock Hill Bend is not such a corner.

The guys that told you to roll off at the start finish line were probably taking the piss because you were annoying them the same way you're annoying everyone on here (well, 99% at least), although probably you won't have read this far into this post anyway because you will have already have decided that you know better and gone off to look at yourself in the mirror or something.

And by the way, why in your knee down picture are you running sparky sliders, did you not listen in the morning briefing? I guess not as you probably knew it all already.

Oh look another one getting on it by taking the piss. I'd tell you to f**k off as well but it's not like that here. Take your oar some where else. Ta