Newbie R1/7 build and also which R1 to own?

[Doctorpowerful]

Hi there! I've been given an amazing opportunity to buy a R1/7 kit from a good friend of mine with a few parts more to source but this is long term and will keep me happy for a while. Information is very limited as spondon and Chesterfield CMC didn't make many and are often confused with Harris and QB carbon R71.
I'm also looking to own a R1 but really don't know which model.. 4xv or 5jj? 2005 onwards? I really don't know but I must say that the older models seem more appealing but some are asking for stupid money just because they have the original reflector?
Hopefully I'll get to know you all over the times ahead. My YouTube is Doctorpowerful (John Caci)
I've just rebuilt a kawasaki zx6r J1 and I have a couple of videos of a few mods to my 2006 Warrior xv1700 midnight.
All advice appreciated

[jompy]

Welcome in John
Which R1 , now theres a loaded question
98 4xv to be original but way too over priced , 99 should be slightly cheaper
5jj again cheaper than 98 and better midrange
5pw first of the injections , seems to ride like the 5jj and the injection is good
5vy first of the underseat exhausts , last of the 20 valves , don't really hear a bad thing about them , infact they get a lot of praise
4c8 16 valve and first fly by wire , choppy laggy throttle until you get them remapped and then they're just fucking mental top end , still meant to have a nice midrange . . . . . . a remap will transform a 4c8
14b The sauage , a real marmite bike , you either love them or hate them and they take a different riding style .2009 models were inconsistant with the engines , some where good some lacked power . Again snatchy on the throttle and benifits from a remap . the 14b is more torque than screamer , in 2014 they introduced the 14be with a facelift and more electrinics .
2cr ment to be more like a 600 with a ltr engine crammed in
Just things that i've read mainly on here and people will add they're opinions , i've only ever ridden the 4xv so i'm no expert on R1's

[Danf1]

Welcome in John
Which R1 , now theres a loaded question
98 4xv to be original but way too over priced , 99 should be slightly cheaper
5jj again cheaper than 98 and better midrange
5pw first of the injections , seems to ride like the 5jj and the injection is good
5vy first of the underseat exhausts , last of the 20 valves , don't really hear a bad thing about them , infact they get a lot of praise
4c8 16 valve and first fly by wire , choppy laggy throttle until you get them remapped and then they're just fucking mental top end , still meant to have a nice midrange . . . . . . a remap will transform a 4c8
14b The sauage , a real marmite bike , you either love them or hate them and they take a different riding style .2009 models were inconsistant with the engines , some where good some lacked power . Again snatchy on the throttle and benifits from a remap . the 14b is more torque than screamer , in 2014 they introduced the 14be with a facelift and more electrinics .
2cr ment to be more like a 600 with a ltr engine crammed in
Just things that i've read mainly on here and people will add they're opinions , i've only ever ridden the 4xv so i'm no expert on R1's

Jesus jompy that’s the best and most intelligent write up I’ve ever seen you doo.. WTF happened did you get an injection filled with IQ overnight!

[Danf1]

Hi there! I've been given an amazing opportunity to buy a R1/7 kit from a good friend of mine with a few parts more to source but this is long term and will keep me happy for a while. Information is very limited as spondon and Chesterfield CMC didn't make many and are often confused with Harris and QB carbon R71.
I'm also looking to own a R1 but really don't know which model.. 4xv or 5jj? 2005 onwards? I really don't know but I must say that the older models seem more appealing but some are asking for stupid money just because they have the original reflector?
Hopefully I'll get to know you all over the times ahead. My YouTube is Doctorpowerful (John Caci)
I've just rebuilt a kawasaki zx6r J1 and I have a couple of videos of a few mods to my 2006 Warrior xv1700 midnight.
All advice appreciated

Does this mean you have one of the original 4xv frames that spondon changed the headstock angle on to be nearer the r7 geometry?

[jompy]

Welcome in John
Which R1 , now theres a loaded question
98 4xv to be original but way too over priced , 99 should be slightly cheaper
5jj again cheaper than 98 and better midrange
5pw first of the injections , seems to ride like the 5jj and the injection is good
5vy first of the underseat exhausts , last of the 20 valves , don't really hear a bad thing about them , infact they get a lot of praise
4c8 16 valve and first fly by wire , choppy laggy throttle until you get them remapped and then they're just fucking mental top end , still meant to have a nice midrange . . . . . . a remap will transform a 4c8
14b The sauage , a real marmite bike , you either love them or hate them and they take a different riding style .2009 models were inconsistant with the engines , some where good some lacked power . Again snatchy on the throttle and benifits from a remap . the 14b is more torque than screamer , in 2014 they introduced the 14be with a facelift and more electrinics .
2cr ment to be more like a 600 with a ltr engine crammed in
Just things that i've read mainly on here and people will add they're opinions , i've only ever ridden the 4xv so i'm no expert on R1's

Jesus jompy that’s the best and most intelligent write up I’ve ever seen you doo.. WTF happened did you get an injection filled with IQ overnight!

Thats it you're going to have to wait another 7 years for the next one if it ever comes

[Doctorpowerful]

Thanks for the info! No one has ever broke it down like that. The Americans on YouTube seem to talk about themselves more instead of the bike so thanks!
Yes it is and "it's the best one they have done." Lots of bracing and an original R7 swing arm too.

[Danf1]

Thanks for the info! No one has ever broke it down like that. The Americans on YouTube seem to talk about themselves more instead of the bike so thanks!
Yes it is and "it's the best one they have done." Lots of bracing and an original R7 swing arm too.

Brilliant I’ve seen so many people build an r7/1 not understanding that the frame and modified swing arm are what made these the original r7/1 not the bullshit lookalike.

[jompy]

Thanks for the info! No one has ever broke it down like that. The Americans on YouTube seem to talk about themselves more instead of the bike so thanks!
Yes it is and "it's the best one they have done." Lots of bracing and an original R7 swing arm too.

Mate we're here to help
I've had my cannibalised 4xv for 11 years now but other than what i've not ridden any of the other models but i do listen and read what others have to say about them , as said the other guys are just as helpful

[Danf1]

Thanks for the info! No one has ever broke it down like that. The Americans on YouTube seem to talk about themselves more instead of the bike so thanks!
Yes it is and "it's the best one they have done." Lots of bracing and an original R7 swing arm too.

I’ve got a heavily modified 4xv In the shed that was my track bike for years and a 4c8 that is my current road and track bike. If your doing the 7/1 I’d say as the other bike a 5vy or 4c8 because they are very sensibility priced and a big step up in handling/power over the earlier models.
My 4xv had reduced off set yokes, Penske shock, longer chain to mimic the longer swinger I couldn’t afford at the time( but I’ve got a spondon quick release now), Hindle full system, brembo master, sigma slipper clutch And lots more. My point is that it was a brilliantly balanced bike BUT no better than a standard 5vy or 4c8. So if you want your “other” R1 to be as well mannered as an r7/1 go 5vy or 4c8.

[Steve R1]

Welcome tiger forum John, nice introduction [emoji1303][emoji122]

I’ve owned all R1’s from the 5vy to the R1M, I’m not a technical guy, but I can tell you what they are like to ride.

This is a really great biking community and people are here to help each other, whether it’s.. don’t do it this way... cos I fooked it up... or this is how you do it...

We all share a passion for bikes

Any questions.. just ask, someone will have the answer..

Oh and jompy .. he is a good egg... and to be fair, his reply to you really was the best post he has ever made... winders cease to amaze me.... obviously lock down has been beneficial to him.. nice one jompy [emoji1303]

So welcome to the madhouse, join in the banter and laugh along with us all

Welcome..

Stephen [emoji4]


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[Danf1]

Welcome tiger forum John, nice introduction [emoji1303][emoji122]

I’ve owned all R1’s from the 5vy to the R1M, I’m not a technical guy, but I can tell you what they are like to ride.

This is a really great biking community and people are here to help each other, whether it’s.. don’t do it this way... cos I fooked it up... or this is how you do it...

We all share a passion for bikes

Any questions.. just ask, someone will have the answer..

Oh and jompy .. he is a good egg... and to be fair, his reply to you really was the best post he has ever made... winders cease to amaze me.... obviously lock down has been beneficial to him.. nice one jompy [emoji1303]

So welcome to the madhouse, join in the banter and laugh along with us all

Welcome..

Stephen [emoji4]


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Bloody hell steve you swapped brains with Jompy you’ve made more mistakes than me

[R14XV]

Looking forward to your R1/7 build, have fond memories of my visits to the guys at Spondon

[Doctorpowerful]

Thanks for the info! I'll check them out, I'm a red and white guy.. Saying that.. Has anyone had red/white '98 colours done on theirs? Just an idea but don't know if will look daft haha.
Tell me more about Spondon, do they specialise in a service or do they have frames etc for sale already?

[Danf1]

Thanks for the info! I'll check them out, I'm a red and white guy.. Saying that.. Has anyone had red/white '98 colours done on theirs? Just an idea but don't know if will look daft haha.
Tell me more about Spondon, do they specialise in a service or do they have frames etc for sale already?

Really are you a bot??? Or just the wrong side of the pond?

[jompy]

Thanks for the info! I'll check them out, I'm a red and white guy.. Saying that.. Has anyone had red/white '98 colours done on theirs? Just an idea but don't know if will look daft haha.
Tell me more about Spondon, do they specialise in a service or do they have frames etc for sale already?

Spondon closed down a few years back , they were about 5 mins walk mfrom my house , one of the owners shafted the other then if i remember correctly he took most the tooling over to norton in donington and fucked that up too
I think thats how it went .

John i meant to ask you earlier , whats the chances of you starting a thread in the projects section of your build ?

[Steve R1]

Welcome tiger forum John, nice introduction [emoji1303][emoji122]

I’ve owned all R1’s from the 5vy to the R1M, I’m not a technical guy, but I can tell you what they are like to ride.

This is a really great biking community and people are here to help each other, whether it’s.. don’t do it this way... cos I fooked it up... or this is how you do it...

We all share a passion for bikes

Any questions.. just ask, someone will have the answer..

Oh and jompy .. he is a good egg... and to be fair, his reply to you really was the best post he has ever made... winders cease to amaze me.... obviously lock down has been beneficial to him.. nice one jompy [emoji1303]

So welcome to the madhouse, join in the banter and laugh along with us all

Welcome..

Stephen [emoji4]


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Bloody hell steve you swapped brains with Jompy you’ve made more mistakes than me

Julian.. [emoji52] just re-read it [emoji849] I really fooked that one up [emoji2369]

John... another red n white member of the club [emoji1303][emoji4], just don’t tell the blues that they couldn’t handle a red bike.. they get upset [emoji4][emoji1303]


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[Doctorpowerful]

Haha yeah OK! Yes as soon as I get the ball rolling I'll create a new project thread

[Doctorpowerful]

I've also donated for the greaterrrr good

[Steve R1]

I've also donated for the greaterrrr good

Nice one [emoji1303][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji4]


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[jompy]

I've also donated for the greaterrrr good

When r1Mike gets his arse in gear your name will turn red to denote you're a donator

[Doctorpowerful]

Hello again! I decided to go for a 4c8. Only 9700 miles but a few things to do like consumables etc. I've only had it for a day and found that it wasn't easy to start. I'll have to investigate. Looking forward to using the forum!

[jompy]

Hello again! I decided to go for a 4c8. Only 9700 miles but a few things to do like consumables etc. I've only had it for a day and found that it wasn't easy to start. I'll have to investigate. Looking forward to using the forum!

Sweet , you wont be dissapointed , one of the guys was saying 4c8s like to be ridden hard to get the best out of them , do you know if it's been remapped or not ? If its still standard or has a power commander get it remapped instead , ask Danf1 about his experiance
Looks really nice that

[Doctorpowerful]

Yes I'll definitely look into it, I think I'll take some panels off and see what's what. Engine management light is saying exup. Great thanks I'll ask him. I'm sure I've seen the manual on here to download so I'll do that too.

[Shearano78]

Yes I'll definitely look into it, I think I'll take some panels off and see what's what. Engine management light is saying exup. Great thanks I'll ask him. I'm sure I've seen the manual on here to download so I'll do that too.

Hi mate, the 4C8 looks nice[emoji106] The battery in those don’t like sitting around so chances are that’ll be the starting issue. There’s loads of info on sticky EXUP valves but it’s a relatively easy fix


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[Doctorpowerful]

Yes you're right there! With a maintenance/trickle charger on it starts no problem!
Thanks